tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post7010386474793969709..comments2023-10-27T20:12:52.668-07:00Comments on Amazing Butuan: Site of the First Mass, After 488 years Controversy ContinuesAmazing Butuanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06602070352160402280noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-6275720155249101282023-10-27T20:12:52.668-07:002023-10-27T20:12:52.668-07:00ong fr frong fr frHugh Mungushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910588696629438079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-48675851258414292732023-10-27T20:09:17.092-07:002023-10-27T20:09:17.092-07:00chill bruhchill bruhHugh Mungushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910588696629438079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-16207836916387129932022-11-07T03:10:54.629-08:002022-11-07T03:10:54.629-08:00its limasawa, the only answer!its limasawa, the only answer!edi wowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262356596406094130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-51666152137782369372021-10-25T02:20:31.985-07:002021-10-25T02:20:31.985-07:00不,这是不对的。它发生在南极洲,你们所有人都错了。据说这发生在南极洲,但为什么没有人问阿兰·卡耶塔诺...不,这是不对的。它发生在南极洲,你们所有人都错了。据说这发生在南极洲,但为什么没有人问阿兰·卡耶塔诺(Alan Cayetano)承诺的每个家庭的 10,000 比索在哪里?•https://www.blogger.com/profile/01301337523159541333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-34833470188511791762021-10-25T02:13:23.452-07:002021-10-25T02:13:23.452-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.•https://www.blogger.com/profile/01301337523159541333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-55486411065962503892021-09-10T03:00:22.394-07:002021-09-10T03:00:22.394-07:00First Mass/Eastern Sunday Mass was not celebrated ...First Mass/Eastern Sunday Mass was not celebrated in this place you mentioned,,,Mazzana/Mazzaua is not the correct island,, its in an ancient port west of of Mazzana/Mazzaua called Macagua a small adjascent island of Mazzana/Mazzaua.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09491001432017028863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-75942093831269186612021-09-10T02:58:18.697-07:002021-09-10T02:58:18.697-07:00You are correct sir, First Mass/Eastern Sunday M...You are correct sir, First Mass/Eastern Sunday Mass was not celebrated in this place you mentioned,,,Mazzana/Mazzaua is not the correct island,, its in an ancient port west of of Mazzana/Mazzaua called Macagua a small adjascent island of Mazzana/Mazzaua. <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09491001432017028863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-3204417341981428612021-09-03T17:39:46.014-07:002021-09-03T17:39:46.014-07:00First Mass was Celebrated in Macagua as it was ...First Mass was Celebrated in Macagua as it was called on De Mafra Navigation chart now it is Port San Fernando/Domuyog, Del Carmen Siargao Island. The entire island of Siargao is called by Pigafetta as Mazzana,, Both Mazzana (Mace) and Macagua (Falcon/Eagle) is a Foreign word that represent the ancient Rome. there was no name Mazzaua,, its a combine word that came from the symbol of ancient romans.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09491001432017028863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-69405532371849862382020-09-17T05:49:00.788-07:002020-09-17T05:49:00.788-07:00hi
hi<br />John Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11887090598111717400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-43231144450764596622019-08-29T21:12:18.540-07:002019-08-29T21:12:18.540-07:00sikret
sikret<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09105134614763812203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-81628315518118401592019-08-25T21:41:56.024-07:002019-08-25T21:41:56.024-07:00What was the introduction of the controversy?What was the introduction of the controversy?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169792295486693209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-64917535441197672812018-08-20T04:02:41.223-07:002018-08-20T04:02:41.223-07:00Can i ask something?what was the first mass began ...Can i ask something?what was the first mass began butuan or limasawaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12029416185635410853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-28474249467023564702017-04-09T19:59:32.235-07:002017-04-09T19:59:32.235-07:00Ok you stop as clairvoyant stick to the book it sa...Ok you stop as clairvoyant stick to the book it says 'the place is full of ricefields'.. are there wide ricefields in limasawa island? Said place is rocky and dried. Tnx' hope u learned something..Time machinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00211099472327968763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-28013092225866902252014-02-02T04:20:10.920-08:002014-02-02T04:20:10.920-08:00excuse me VISIT MASAO BUTUAN AND YOU WILL SEE THE ...excuse me VISIT MASAO BUTUAN AND YOU WILL SEE THE CLEARLY ARTIFACTS WHICH COINCIDE THE CLAIMS OF BUTUANONS REGARDING THE FIRST MASS OF THIS REPUBLIC. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122741482777853396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-55486352334907133982010-09-30T03:26:41.257-07:002010-09-30T03:26:41.257-07:00the first mass was in masao, butuan,because if you...the first mass was in masao, butuan,because if you study the degree in Pigafetta's chronicle,it coincide in masao,.so the first mass was in butuan not in limasawa.,no doubt,...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12875963250864640978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-72201075281453250892010-07-19T04:02:15.871-07:002010-07-19T04:02:15.871-07:00i could not believe early Philippine history anymo...i could not believe early Philippine history anymore for the numerous hoaxes and plagiarism and distortion by early historians who only wanted to make money out of their supposed historical breakthrough! No! Not even Magellan's death at Mactan island.Zamboangueño Nga Bisayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18243685248872917892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-26925359888810275222009-08-11T06:45:29.966-07:002009-08-11T06:45:29.966-07:00it was in limasawa where the first mass was held.....it was in limasawa where the first mass was held..this is according to the p.a.2733, the first mass was in Limasawa and not in Butuananonymouscritiquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604539481691655919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5226901195865756502.post-72523781627140063472009-04-13T18:43:00.000-07:002009-04-13T18:43:00.000-07:00Butuan was NOT where the supposed “first mass” was...Butuan was NOT where the supposed “first mass” was held<br /><br />The place where an Easter mass was celebrated on March 31, 1521 was not Butuan. Or, Limasawa.<br /><br />It was in the island-port named Mazaua. Being an island, it was surrounded by sea water.<br /><br />There is an article at Wikipedia on Mazaua where all the properties of Mazaua–its location, size, kind of port, shape, the name of its king, its flora and fauna, distances from Homonhon to the port, latitude, etc. etc.–are explicitly defined. Click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazaua.<br /><br />A fairly comprehensive but not exhaustive historiography of the Mazaua issue is contained in an article published in the website of the Italian nuclear scientist and Italian translator of Dr. Jose Rizal, Dr. Vasco Caini, at http://www.xeniaeditrice.it. When the page opens scroll down to the article Mazaua.<br /><br />The notion the March 31, 1521 mass was held at Butuan comes from the garbled account by Giovanni Battista Ramusio. It is such a corrupted translation of the original that the account is not Antonio Pigafetta’s at all. In this translation, which Henry Harrisse says is a plagiarism by Ramusio of an anonymously published book that saw print in 1534 (no one has seen this edition) and republished in 1536 (which is extant), Ramusio removed “Mazaua” and replaced it with Butuan.<br /><br />The Butuan error stayed uncorrected for 266 years from 1534 or 1536 until 1800. The error was detected in a book containing the authentic Pigafetta narration of the Magellan voyage, edited by the ex-Augustinian polymath Carlo Amoretti.<br /><br />But in correcting the error, Amoretti made a colossal blunder which was only detected in 1996 by the author. Amoretti in two footnotes surmised that Mazaua (his exact names for the island was Massana and Mazzana) MAY be the “Limassava” island in the 1734 map of the Philippines by French mapmaker Jacques N. Bellin. This map was an exact copy of the most famous map ever made in the Philippines by Fr. Pedro Murillo Velarde, the edition of 1734.<br /><br />Amoretti, by way of offering proof to support his assertion, states Limasawa and Mazaua are in the latitude given by Pigafett, 9 degrees and 40 minutes North. This is wrong on three points: 1) Limasawa’s latitude is 9 deg. 56 min. N; 2) There is no island at Pigafetta’s latitude; 3) There are two other readings of latitude for Mazaua, 9 degrees North by The Genoese Pilot which is supported by the Portuguese squadron leader, Antonio de Brito, who embargoed all objects found at the flagship Trinidad including a number of logbooks and other papers, and 9 deg. 20 min. North by Francisco Albo, the Greek mariner who piloted the Victoria back to Spain on Sept. 6, 1522.<br /><br />The notion Combes’ Limasawa was Magellan’s Mazaua where the “first mass” was held is a false notion. Combes nowhere says his Limasawa is the port where the fleet moored on March 28-April 3, 1521. Nowhere does Combes say there was any mass held in his Limasawa or anywhere in the Philippines for that matter on March 31, 1521. To verify this, go to the English translation of the 3-paragraph story by Combes of Magellan’s sojourn in Philippine waters. Click http://books.google.com/books?id=NbG7kHtBma8C&pg=PA1&dq=First+mass+in+Limasawa&ei=6w27SZi7IoLKlQS8neDVAg#PPA4,M1. The original Spanish text may be accessed at http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=philamer;cc=philamer;q1=Limasaua;rgn=full%20text;idno=ahz9273.0001.001;didno=ahz9273.0001.001;view=image;seq=00000134<br /><br />Where then is Magellan’s port today? The answer may be found at the ff. Wikipedia articles:<br /><br />1. First mass in the Philippines –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_mass_in_the_Philippines<br /><br />2. Carlo Amoretti — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Amoretti<br /><br />3. Gines de Mafra — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gines_de_Mafra<br /><br />4. Mazaua — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazaua<br /><br />5. Francisco Combes — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Comb%C3%A9s<br /><br />6. Antonio de Herrera y Tordesillas — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_de_Herrera_y_Tordesillas<br /><br />7. Andres de San Martin — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_de_San_Mart%C3%ADn<br /><br />8. Ruy Lopez de Villalobos — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruy_Lopez_de_Villalobos<br /><br />No serious scholar of Magellan historiography today still thinks Limasawa is Mazaua. Only the National Historical Institute and fanatic advocates (not scholars) of Amoretti’s Limasawa hypothesis still think the southern isle is or can be Mazaua.<br /><br />Ironically, some writers from Butuan think in the same way as NHI itself. For what unexplained reason, it’s not clear.<br /><br />The only remaining problem is whether the suspect isle of Pinamanculan-Bancasi is really Mazaua. This issue is not historiographical. It is archaeological, i.e., there is need to come up with artefacts directly traceable to Magellan, Gines de Mafra, and a number of other recorded visits by Europeans in the 16th century.<br /><br />These artefacts cannot be produced by further historiographical conversation. It is only by digging that concrete evidence may be found.<br /><br />VICENTE CALIBO DE JESUS<br />ginesdemafra@gmail.comVicente Calibo de Jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937570740226706472noreply@blogger.com